Saturday, June 7, 2014

Exploring what is God?

First this is a definition for myself: I need to write my current definition, as my definition keeps changing.

First I will look at what other say:

noun: God; noun: god; plural noun: gods; plural noun: the gods
  1. 1.
    (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
    synonyms:the Lord, the Almighty, the Creator, the Maker, the Godhead; More
    Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh;
    (God) the Father, (God) the Son, the Holy Ghost/Spirit, the Holy Trinity;
    the Great Spirit, Gitchi Manitou;
    humorousthe Man Upstairs
    "a gift from God"
  2. 2.
    (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
 Yah... No. I am only interested in reality. Creator... we were created through evolution. Life, animation, now we are not so sure about the animation part, but some day we will understand. But this is the biological forces that exist. Animals, all life is opportunistic, with a desire to breath, eat, shit, grow and reproduce. That is natural.

First god does not exist physically. It is a name for a nebulous concept, that we each must design for ourselves. Having said it is a concept, how can I say it does not exist, therefore god exists.

There is no point praying, a concept cannot do anything. All was created by the sum of the forces of the universe and matter. It is often said that god is the creator. Ok, so he is a personalization of the forces of nature.

To the stoics, god, was all the unseen but felt forces including logic, reason, consciousness, and similar parts of the soul, as well as natural forces. They believed that logic, reason, and consciousness all came from one source, and was one, not disconnected, from each other, but somehow a connection, since logic is logic for all. That force of reason was god, so we humans are part god, part animal, and we should feel gratitude for being part god or god like.

That is the ultimate link to god, as Soc said, we cannot do anything without god (our consciousness) knowing or permitting (others consciousness, or the world forces).

If we assent or accept that god is the forces of nature, and reason, then we are forced to accept god's existence as a concept, but not as a concept that can do anything, but rather a logic, that if we could describe it would be the logos. With time, we can split god into laws, and codify the logos.

But this definition of god is not in keeping with any religion, especially christian. They have no definition that can be real, as there is no intelligence out of humans, just natural forces and matter. Logic and reasoning is natural laws also, but exist only as mathematical expressions of natural laws, the search for more and better, virtue, and desire for comfort.

God has no wrath. Nature has no intent, just what happens, happens. It is up to us to adapt and go along with nature, but not necessarily other people, yet we are born to cooperate, within the direction of reason, virtue, and the like to aid comfortable survival. We have needs, but our wants and possibilities are out of control. All desires should be let go of, and only motivate toward the the basic utility functions. 

So now how does this fit with the 12 step god? Not well. 

But then what do I know?

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